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		<title>By: james</title>
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		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m pretty far removed from end-user management but I *think* that &lt;a href=&quot;http://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Samba4&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Samba 4&lt;/a&gt; is positioned as an AD replacement, if anything it might be worth looking into.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pretty far removed from end-user management but I *think* that <a href="http://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Samba4" rel="nofollow">Samba 4</a> is positioned as an AD replacement, if anything it might be worth looking into.</p>
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		<title>By: Garreth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Garreth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing that has bugged me about ubuntu stock and tweaked (#!) is that it just feels slower accross the board. [a specific example would be sun java in firefox, what the hell is with that?!] I wonder if it is just todo with the fact the keyboard shortcuts work differently (i miss my start key).  I bet if drivers permitting I laded W2k on this laptop with the XP bootloader files (i love that hack) it&#039;d be faster than Ubuntu 9.04 (or at least feel faster which is the crucial bit).

But also I find that linux is just too customizable; i have too many options for my own good! With ADHD and linux it&#039;s like a fat kid in a huge sweetshop, a very bad place lol.
Saying that i&#039;m using it now... though i would be using vista if in preparing to test/install another distro to the drive, the vista bootloader hadn&#039;t got klunged. ANyone got a Vista cd? stupid recovery partition is doing nothing for me :&#039;(

Out of interest, do you know of any tools that are on par with Active Directory and Group Policies for network management of linux desktops? (Don&#039;t just say ldap though!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing that has bugged me about ubuntu stock and tweaked (#!) is that it just feels slower accross the board. [a specific example would be sun java in firefox, what the hell is with that?!] I wonder if it is just todo with the fact the keyboard shortcuts work differently (i miss my start key).  I bet if drivers permitting I laded W2k on this laptop with the XP bootloader files (i love that hack) it&#8217;d be faster than Ubuntu 9.04 (or at least feel faster which is the crucial bit).</p>
<p>But also I find that linux is just too customizable; i have too many options for my own good! With ADHD and linux it&#8217;s like a fat kid in a huge sweetshop, a very bad place lol.<br />
Saying that i&#8217;m using it now&#8230; though i would be using vista if in preparing to test/install another distro to the drive, the vista bootloader hadn&#8217;t got klunged. ANyone got a Vista cd? stupid recovery partition is doing nothing for me :&#8217;(</p>
<p>Out of interest, do you know of any tools that are on par with Active Directory and Group Policies for network management of linux desktops? (Don&#8217;t just say ldap though!)</p>
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		<title>By: The Abstract Exponent &#187; Excellent Fedora 8 Gnome Desktop - Linux is Ready</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Abstract Exponent &#187; Excellent Fedora 8 Gnome Desktop - Linux is Ready</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 09:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] have wondered if linux is ready for the desktop.  I want to put a link here to the article, ok I  will , but this discussion is such a huge fandango you could really waste a lot of time. In the opinion [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] have wondered if linux is ready for the desktop.  I want to put a link here to the article, ok I  will , but this discussion is such a huge fandango you could really waste a lot of time. In the opinion [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kirrus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirrus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 16:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tend to had problems with boxes that had run the beta versions of Ubuntu, but I&#039;ve had it with a box which didn&#039;t have any of the nasty stuff added... I&#039;ve also seen (and worked on) a bug report on launchpad, in which the reported had his packaging system lock up because there is a bug in the Feisty &gt; Gutsy firehol upgrade process somewhere. 

(Still not managed to track it down - it seems people prefer to just remove firehol than help me pin down the problem :()

Still, its not going to be too long before Ubuntu is ready - its certainly ready for the desktop if you bought a PC with Ubuntu pre-loaded from &quot;PC World&quot; where you have support people to help you out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to had problems with boxes that had run the beta versions of Ubuntu, but I&#8217;ve had it with a box which didn&#8217;t have any of the nasty stuff added&#8230; I&#8217;ve also seen (and worked on) a bug report on launchpad, in which the reported had his packaging system lock up because there is a bug in the Feisty &gt; Gutsy firehol upgrade process somewhere. </p>
<p>(Still not managed to track it down &#8211; it seems people prefer to just remove firehol than help me pin down the problem <img src='http://elwoodicious.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
<p>Still, its not going to be too long before Ubuntu is ready &#8211; its certainly ready for the desktop if you bought a PC with Ubuntu pre-loaded from &#8220;PC World&#8221; where you have support people to help you out.</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
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		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm... The only time I run into that issue is if I am using non-canonical repos like the ones for AWN and Compiz (both of which didn&#039;t like the upgrade to Hardy).  With regards to my mother and wife&#039;s laptops they all use the stock repos and upgrades are smooth like butter, and beyond my aforementioned problem my laptop has gone from 7.04 to 7.10 to 8.04 without a hitch.

That said, I still need to do my server which is on the previous LTS...That will likely be a hairy experience and I am NOT looking forward to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm&#8230; The only time I run into that issue is if I am using non-canonical repos like the ones for AWN and Compiz (both of which didn&#8217;t like the upgrade to Hardy).  With regards to my mother and wife&#8217;s laptops they all use the stock repos and upgrades are smooth like butter, and beyond my aforementioned problem my laptop has gone from 7.04 to 7.10 to 8.04 without a hitch.</p>
<p>That said, I still need to do my server which is on the previous LTS&#8230;That will likely be a hairy experience and I am NOT looking forward to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirrus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirrus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I think its &quot;ready&quot; only if you have someone who knows Ubuntu well enough to be able to deal high-level linux problems. 
One issue I keep coming up against, time and time again, is dependency resolution failure when you&#039;re dist-upgrading.

Apart from that, yes, definitely ready!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I think its &#8220;ready&#8221; only if you have someone who knows Ubuntu well enough to be able to deal high-level linux problems.<br />
One issue I keep coming up against, time and time again, is dependency resolution failure when you&#8217;re dist-upgrading.</p>
<p>Apart from that, yes, definitely ready!</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
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		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing! 

One of the things that I thing critics of Linux generally miss is that not all window managers are the same and these experiments like &lt;a href=&quot;http://contentconsumer.wordpress.com/2008/04/27/is-ubuntu-useable-enough-for-my-girlfriend/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;getting one&#039;s girlfriend to use it&lt;/a&gt; are similar to the comments of someone driving an unfamiliar car: &quot;Um, how do I turn on the lights? Where&#039;s the knob for the windshield wipers? How to I open the gas cap my car has a lever and yours doesn&#039;t...&quot;  Give that person an afternoon and the car&#039;s layout will make more sense just like if you let that girlfriend spend a weekend tinkering she will likely find it is just as easy as her usual OS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing! </p>
<p>One of the things that I thing critics of Linux generally miss is that not all window managers are the same and these experiments like <a href="http://contentconsumer.wordpress.com/2008/04/27/is-ubuntu-useable-enough-for-my-girlfriend/" rel="nofollow">getting one&#8217;s girlfriend to use it</a> are similar to the comments of someone driving an unfamiliar car: &#8220;Um, how do I turn on the lights? Where&#8217;s the knob for the windshield wipers? How to I open the gas cap my car has a lever and yours doesn&#8217;t&#8230;&#8221;  Give that person an afternoon and the car&#8217;s layout will make more sense just like if you let that girlfriend spend a weekend tinkering she will likely find it is just as easy as her usual OS.</p>
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		<title>By: Links for April 29th, 2008 at wolfgang.lonien.de</title>
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		<dc:creator>Links for April 29th, 2008 at wolfgang.lonien.de</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: wjl (Wolfgang Lonien)</title>
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		<dc:creator>wjl (Wolfgang Lonien)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 09:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi James,

hehe thanks for the wonderful &quot;review&quot; of Linux in general, and also for the recommendations.

I&#039;m in quite a similar situation: we use Linux since some 8 years or so in our household. That&#039;s Linux *only* if you don&#039;t count a once-a-year tax declaration made with proprietary tools - but that also changed by now. About Linux being compatible for the masses, well after seeing how much better it was, I first tried with my brother (he&#039;s using Ubuntu now). My son (Kubuntu) tried himself, and very successfully. An aunt, 68 years old by now, got a box set up with Debian - no complaints at all. Just like your mother-in-law, she started working and playing. Our small one loves childsplay and gcompris.

Even a good and long time friend, who was &quot;defending&quot; (his use of) proprietary a lot, tried it, liked it - and now he has all his personal machines on free software and OSs (Ubuntu), bought an Asus Eee (and loves it), and an UltraLapSR from us (loves that one, too).

Yes, I would say we&#039;re there. Finally.

best,
wjl aka Wolfgang (from ZaReason EU)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi James,</p>
<p>hehe thanks for the wonderful &#8220;review&#8221; of Linux in general, and also for the recommendations.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m in quite a similar situation: we use Linux since some 8 years or so in our household. That&#8217;s Linux *only* if you don&#8217;t count a once-a-year tax declaration made with proprietary tools &#8211; but that also changed by now. About Linux being compatible for the masses, well after seeing how much better it was, I first tried with my brother (he&#8217;s using Ubuntu now). My son (Kubuntu) tried himself, and very successfully. An aunt, 68 years old by now, got a box set up with Debian &#8211; no complaints at all. Just like your mother-in-law, she started working and playing. Our small one loves childsplay and gcompris.</p>
<p>Even a good and long time friend, who was &#8220;defending&#8221; (his use of) proprietary a lot, tried it, liked it &#8211; and now he has all his personal machines on free software and OSs (Ubuntu), bought an Asus Eee (and loves it), and an UltraLapSR from us (loves that one, too).</p>
<p>Yes, I would say we&#8217;re there. Finally.</p>
<p>best,<br />
wjl aka Wolfgang (from ZaReason EU)</p>
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